"Friends/Partners in Aviation Weather" Forum

The following is a synopsis of the meeting:

Paul Fiduccia, President - Small Aircraft Manufacturer's Association (SAMA) kept a task sheet to track progress of action items.

NAATS committed to the following three (3) tasks:

#2. What weather products do we still use / don't use?

#5. ASOS failures and reporting procedures for flight service.

#9. PIREP distribution practices -- are all PIREP(s) entered into the system by FSS controllers / or getting to FSS from tower/center?

Problems Identified by NAATS:

  1. Aviation weather product improvements are not getting to flight service. Many of the FAA's weather R&D and advanced systems are going into only towers and centers, not flight service.

  2. Great technology is available for weather but instead of talk, we need action from the FAA. Some systems or products excluded from flight service are: lightning data, CCFP, WARP, ITWIS, NCWF, ADDS, AWRP, WRF, and NCAR research.

  3. Infrastructure - flight service needs equipment to allow access to data.

  4. Pilots need better training from FAA on weather. [User groups emphasized this need.]

  5. For ASOS/AWOS pilots want video imaging of the sky like what is available in Alaska. [User groups emphasized this need.]

We had personal dialogue with AOPA on ASOS problems or limitations -

  • Low clouds not directly over the site are missed.

  • Approaching fog banks / clouds are not detected.

  • Mountain obscurations are not determined.

  • Sector visibility is not available.

  • Erroneous reports on visibility restrictions, can be either better or worse than actual weather.

  • No determination of "thin" clouds to allow VFR operations.

[This item to be followed up with Melissa Bailey, (Vice President - Air traffic Services - AOPA).]

Two solutions offered by NAATS:

1. Flight service could assist in reporting ASOS/AWOS outages, if procedures are worked out by FAA & NAATS.

2. Let flight service facilities test new weather technologies for feedback on usability, problems to correct, customer (pilot) suggestions/comments and operational deployment potential.

I have been in touch with Ward Simpson about a Navy project in southern California.

Larry Burdick

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